Should Bermuda take in innocent Uighur refugees?

Yes
29% (5 votes)
No
71% (12 votes)
Total votes: 17

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I said yes to this.

Because I believe that, if asked, we SHOULD take in INNOCENT Uighur refugees.

The problem is, this question wasn't asked of anyone, nor has it been established that they ARE, in fact, innocent, nor has it been established if we are in a position to offer these people British Citizenship, which is ostensibly what we are doing.

But why here?

@ Elvis - I've no problem with being humanitarian, but it just makes no sense for US to take them in. They have no ties whatsoever with Bermuda. None. There is no reason for them to come to us, other than political. They are a trade for some favour from Washington.

I have no problem with that. But at least be honest for once. This isn't about being welcoming Bermudians or humanitarian - it's about back scratching.

As for why we weren't asked - well we might have said no thanks. A bit like the Governor if he'd been asked.

It's an SDO of taking in refugees :)

I'm not arguing THAT, B...

When I said "if asked", I meant it.

If, for whatever reason, the US has decided that they cannot or will not take these men and ASK us to do so, then I really have no problem.

That's what the question was. Should we take in innocent Uighur refugees?

As I've said, THAT is not what I have a problem with. It's everything else.

I said no to this

Because while I can understand the humanitarian nature of this, as I understand international law the US is obligated to take in these people and not pressure or bribe small countries into taking the problems off their hands. The US Congress vote is as such irrelevant - although its nice that they got to vote on it. They have obligations under international law that they are shirking with this act.

Furthermore, under our current constitutional system, this decision is unconstitutional as it stands.

Further, it also makes a mockery of our immigration protocols, and also sets a precedent.

I Vote NO-

I have to seriously ascertain if this Government thought about the social, economical, cultural and political ramifications in deciding this? These guys can be innocent, but any person from any walk of life and who holds any point of view from these last botched up 8 years, knows this is a World Controversial Issue!

So far, President Obama's biggest embarrassment came from his own Democratic majority congress on this issue. The US Congress voted against providing funds to close Gitmo because of Obama and Rahm Emanuel's poor thought-out plans. And here we, Bermuda on June 11, 2009 decided to take part in this process? The G7 nations who supported the war and implementation of Gitmo should be handling this! Not the smaller nations who are risking more to lose because of their size, un-diversified economies and limited trades!!

I bet our IB CEO's this afternoon had recieved calls from their board members, investors and international press to ask about their future safty of investment, employee expats and families, and the way of doing business in a country that now accepts Gitmo former detainees on its streets. What screening processs we have in place? Again these four guys can be innocent and we know for a fact some detainees are victims of the US's profiling agenda, but let the bigger nations and the US handle this.

And to suggest the reason for taking them is because we are a friendly society and is currently celebrating a centuries old relationship with the US, is really puppy cock at best! This isn't an issue of national importance! If Premier Brown used this to score points with Obama in getting assurance that Bermuda won't be affected by tax code and legislative changes is indeed disappointing. Maybe now are biggest fear isn't Washington DC, but because of this decision IB's are really looking at an exit strategy. The sad part on this issue is the end result cannot be seen by Government or those against its decision so why take this unnecessary risk?

Also to add, why would Government think Bermudians will get over this decision when in most cases the Government has a hard time trying to build affordable housing in some neighborhoods that are defiant to not let fellow Bermudians live? This proves Bermudians has a certain mindset and something like this is a NO NO!

I strongly support my party and Government but I believe this is political suicide.

The people should have been notified and IB & Tourism heads, should have had input.

Swainson..

If anything I think the IB people see the this for exactly what it is, the Bda. Government trying to score Brownie points (no pun intended) for the current US administration, so I doubt they are plotting an exit strategy.. If anything it shows to them this government is trying to do almost anything to keep them here.

"The sad part on this issue is the end result cannot be seen by Government or those against its decision so why take this unnecessary risk?"

This is a valid point, and like you said, it is possible this decision can result in political suicide.

"I bet our IB CEO's this afternoon had recieved calls from their board members, investors and international press to ask about their future safty of investment, employee expats and families, and the way of doing business in a country that now accepts Gitmo former detainees on its streets. What screening processs we have in place? Again these four guys can be innocent and we know for a fact some detainees are victims of the US's profiling agenda, but let the bigger nations and the US handle this. "

I see your point, however, Im sure we let SOME pedophilles, convicted felons, rapists and other criminals on our shores possibly everyday.. The difference is that we call them tourists.

What screening process do we have for anyone coming to our shores. With the increase of gang connections here, whos to say that hardened murders come to our island to do a 'job' then leave? Personally, I dont think we have anything to fear from these people. Extremists tend to go after nations who exert influence over other countries. Mind you, thats if they were extremists.

And for the record, I support the humantarian basis for this decision, however they way it was conducted I do not agree with.

Point Taking.

S. Brown,

I see your point, but working in the IB environment like anywhere else, these people/heads have political views to. Companies develop political risk analysis based on what the BDA Government is doing. This can affect future talent from wanting to work in Bermuda which will place businesses in a tough situation after current work permits are up. Possible start ups that are looking at the island might now have focus somewhere else. These questions you can't easily put to the side. I think because we obtained leverage with DC for this doesn't mean there isn't no downside. The way how this was handled is a major case of errors & omissions. The focusing on humanitarian need is ok but focus on other areas were disregarded. If we want to do anything humanitarian send funds for the sheltering of them somewhere else.

I see

I never thought of it in that respect. Since you work in IB I value your point of view. Thanks for the insight and info.

I value your thought to...

Good dialogue is needed on this issue.

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